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blog vs html almost confirmed

What’s best for SERPs, HTML site or Blog?

This is an update from my previous post about Blog vs HTML sites in the search engines. Well I can confirm the results are clear, the blog page leaves the html page blown out of the water by an incredible amount, not just a few places but hundreds of places in the search results.

However.. I may have jumped to conclusions, not about the difference in results but in what I was actually testing.  I have since tested the HTML sites with the W3 validator and it turns out the pages are quite poorly coded. So even though the test is still something very important, I’m still not completely sure what the test is. Is this Blog vs Html or Valid html vs bad html. The tests are back on so I’ll be back as soon as I have some concrete results, shouldn’t be too long.

In the meantime ponder this…

Five test sites, all one page, all url keyworded for a reasonably competetive word.

  • One blogspot, one wordpress site. two blogs on own domain and one html site on own domain. Blogspot site =  don’t even make it into the top 1000
  • Wordpress site and two blogs on own domian, all around the same spot give or take ten places. Position is within the top 100 results.
  • HTML site position just under 600.

Another three test sites, slightly more competetive, two blogs on own domain, one HTML site…

  • The two blogs (one page sites with no backlinks) are both close together within the top 300 results.
  • The html site, over two hundred pages now indexed, over one hundred back links, still not listed for keyword.

New test sites. Two sites as identical as possible without becoming duplicate. Same url names (keyword), one a .net and the other a .com. Not very competetive. Both set up exactly same time and both indexed the same day.

  • Blog - position 11
  • HTML - position 114

That’s over one hundred places in the results page for a non competetive term. The only thing I need to figure out now is whether this is blog or valid code. Whichever one it is I am shocked that I can find no one else reporting this. The only reference is SEO’ers saying Google prefers valid code, some say the difference is minimal. I say it’s time the re-checked their tests, or actually done some before giving their opinions.

The Google Chance

No, not the Google dance! :)

Does Google give new sites a chance to prove themselves? This isn’t based on any tests I have done but observations of newly created sites. Every site I create seems to drop down the search results quite a lot within a few weeks.

 We’ve all heard about the sandbox and filtering but I try to think about everything from their perspective. For instance presuming I owned a search engine and I reall did want relevant high quality sites to get the best results then what would I do with new sites? If I used some kind of filtering or put everything immediately into the sandbox then what happens to those sites that really are great websites? How do they get any chance to prove themselves?

With the way Google has gone recently it is making this challenge almost impossible. Penalised if you link too fast, link too slow, link to the wrong places etc.. This kind of system has made it virtually impossible to get exposure in the first place so you’ll never get out of the so called sandbox.

 It’s very easy to say all new sites must go through a probabtion period but lets face it, if you were a search engine then what’s that going to prove, if you think about it hard enough it will prove nothing. The guilty until proven innocent system can’t really work effectively. If however you can enter the system as neither guilty nor innocent put let’s say under the microscope until we have decided, this would make more sense. From my observations so far, this is seems to be a more sensible approach and one that’s looking more likely as my tests continue. I may disagree with this as time goes on but right now i’m building new sites from this perspective and it seems to be paying off, so far at least.

Wordpress vs Blogger

Does it make any difference in search engine results if you create a free blog with wordpess.com or blogspot.com? I won’t say much about this simply because it’s so easy to recreate yourself, if you need a specific answer then try it, but..

 I have now created a few sites, almost identical in topic and word count but not duplicate content. The domains are the same i.e. domain.wordpress.com and domain.blogspot.com.

Every one of them shows the blogger blogs dragging way behind the results. Not only do the wordpress ones get indexed far quicker but in every case has also shown the wordpress blogs hundreds of places ahead in the serps. Also worth noting, the Blogger ones will often go straight into supplemental.

Does this prove anything? Short term maybe but that’s about all I can say. The content is very short on all of them (maybe 300 words, one page or two pages) and they are all fairly new, three to six months. I am expereminting  with these so I will be able to give an update on this in a month or two. I will experiment with more content and maybe some linking. What I want to figure out is if the Blogger blogs will consistently stay behind or do they perhaps just go through some tougher filtering while they are new? Time will tell on this one. In the meantime just try it yourself if you’re interested, it doesn’t cost anything.

Blog or HTML site - what is best for SERPs

I’ve been a bit lapse in here lately but I have been doing a lot of experiments. The reason I haven’t been logging any of it here is because of two reasons. Firstly, a lot of my results are uncertain and kind of just logged in my head and the other reason is because I have been using mostly sites that I don’t want to give too much information about simply because they are sites I don’t want mentioned here.

This is a difficult one because it makes this whole site almost pointless if I don’t show the real world results but on the other hand if I give away the domain names then it will lead to inaccurate results on the tests, or at least it will in the beginning.

I have been monitoring a lot of interesting behaviours with sites and the serp’s but what I want to do now before I talk too much about it all is recreate the tests from scratch with new domains. I still wont give the domains away, at least not for quite a while, but I will start to log everything here as I do it and give as much detail as possible.

The first thing I am going to test is search results on two websites as identical as possible without getting into duplicate content, the only difference is that one will use a Wordpress template and the other will be straight HTML. Why?

Because I have found that my html sites are consistently about 200-300 places behind Wordpress blog versions of the same websites. The only problem here is that because I have had so many other things happening without logging the details I can’t be sure, it’s something I never suspected so I never looked out for it. It could be a set of coincidences that I have placed some bad links on the html sites or some other reason that has knocked them all so far behind.

Rather than trying to wade through the history of them it will be easier and far more accurate if I start some new sites on the same theme and monitor their progress from scratch. This will start very soon and be updated here so check back soon.

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Backlinks and relevancy

I’ve just been re-reading some of my previous posts and maybe my opinion of backlinks is a bit unclear, so I’ll explain my thoughts a bit further.

I feel it might be easy to misinterpret my opinions that backlinks aren’t very important. This is not what I think, the point I have been trying to make is they are not the one and only thing that’s important. That tells you nothing new but there is an important concept that many SEO’ers seem to be ignoring… Backlinks do not over-ride low relevancy, or to put it differently, many webmasters are taking some steps backwards while they are stepping forward. I don’t know how many steps back and in the scheme of things it might be quite low in comparison but let’s say for arguments sake, for all the effort involved in getting decent backlinks, some of that effort is completely wasted, why?

A site with very high relevancy and low backlinks may easily beat a site in the serps with thousands of backlinks but very low relevancy, or in the case of MFA sites, virtually no relevancy. Other than creating a site by automation, I really cannot see why anybody would bother creating MFA sites. I’m talking about those pure MFA sites, the ones with almost zero content, just enough to trigger the AdSense content on the right track. You could take a zero content MFA site, spend half hour creating some unique content for it and have a much easier time pushing the site in the SERP’s with the added benefit of owning a site that earns some money and won’t get banned.

Let’s presume then that you have a website and you want to rank for a keyword or key-phrase. Let’s say my key phrase is “how to program pic microcontrollers”. I create a webpage, I name the page, howtoprogrampicmicrocontrollers.html and use the key phrase “how to program pic microcontrollers” for my title tag and then on the page I write just those five words, the keyphrase and nothing else. Ok, so that’s the smallest webpage in history but there is no doubt it’s one hundred percent relevant. Will it do me any good in the SERP’s, I doubt it, at least not with a very high pagerank or sudden ownership of about.com (although that would make an interesting test) .

I’m pretty sure most would agree with me so far. So now we step up a bit and write a 800 word article on the subject of “how to program pic microcontrollers” and throw it out to Google. A bit of work and we could rank for that key phrase fairly easily. For now, let’s forget about pages from the likes of “wikipedia” and “about” which let’s face it, don’t even need contain the keyphrase to rank the top spot, let’s just talk about being in competition with the other ordinary websites which Google do allow you to compete with on a fair playing field.

Lets say we need a PageRank of between 2 and 4 to realistically get within the top ten. Now how much effort will you put into the content of the page if lets say you already have the website ranking at 4?

This is where I’m trying to make my point in the previous posts. This is where some webmasters get lazy. Go back to the first page example which only contains just the key phrase “how to program pic microcontrollers” on the whole page, we agreed it probably won’t rank very well, so would you use this page to try to compete with another pr4 site that has a 800 word relevant article on the subject. No of course not. But now the important part, how hard do you try because if you aren’t careful you could easily add another 795 words to your page that actually pull your ranking possibility even lower than if you had left it with just the five word key phrase!

Remember, relevancy means relevancy. A patronising statement it maybe but relevant to this subject because it seems some people don’t think hard enough about it. Making a page relevant does not mean including the key phrase “x- percent of word count” amount of times, it means staying on topic.

Look at this very article and try to think like a computer. Now tell me what is my topic about.

The title says backlinks and relevancy so that, you would think, gives us a good start? (Although I do have my suspicions that the title doesn’t count as much as most think it does, I’ll get back when I have more test results).

Or is it a page on how to program pic microcontrollers?

Maybe even MFA sites which I could strengthen right here in this sentence by saying something like made for Adsense in bold font and then making it anchor text like this. Made for Adsense

When you’re reading this, it’s pretty clear to a human what the topic is about but to a computer? Probably not. There’s an easy way to test just how relevant a page will be to Google, but I’ll reveal that one when I’ve tested and confirmed my results a bit more, for now, you’ll just have to wait until then.

Where am I going with all this

Okay, just a quick post. If anybody has happened to stumble across my ramblings and wondered where the hell is all the expirements and test results when all I seem to be doing is rambling on about things that have nothing to do with tests and how to get higher up in the SERP’s.

Well, somewhere at the beginning I did actually say I’m still not ready to get started (althought some of it has that I’m not ready to post about yet) …but in the meantime I am just thinking aloud. Thing is though, I have a lot more going on in my head than what I write about for quite a few reasons but I’ll just say this for now. Everything I have been writing so far does have a lot to do with where all of this is heading.

None of it may tell you much but that’s not the idea. It’s all about food for thought. Everytime I write something in here it is an extension of what I’m thinking and it leads to more thinking. If you are reading my stuff then you should not be searching for valuable rock solid information. You should be looking for ideas that springboard. I have said a couple of times that I have a theory that I’m testing but not ready to share yet until I’ve tested it further. I’m fairly confident that this is an idea not many people are using but it will carry some weight in better ranking. How much weight I have no idea yet but as far as I’m concerned everything positive is, well, positive. I have already given clues about some things. All the answers are in the thinking!

Will any of it produce results? I honestly don’t know yet but I feel reasonably confident.

12c508

This is a temporary page about the 12c508. You can ignore this post but if you want to know what it is then it is a microcontroller also known as a pic chip. The 12c508 can be programmed using assembler and is a small but powerful microcontroller with built in eeprom and flash memory.

 more information on the 12c508 can be found here

The data sheet for the 12c508 can be downloaded from the Microchip website.

How long does it take to get indexed in Google

This is just a quick note on an observation I made a few days ago. This is not about ways to get indexed quicker, more to the point of what actually happens once you are indexed.

 Getting listed in the Google index is one thing but something I never realised until now is that merely showing up in the listings is only part of the equation, it seems to take quite some time to settle. A search for the first five or six words “in quotes” of your listed webpage takes a lot longer to show up. This must mean that your keywords are also not performing straight away. The site I noticed this on has taken over a month from getting listed with the site: comand to showing up for any of it’s content.

I’ll say it again.. this is just an observation. It definitely happened but it’s not something I have monitored or paid any real attention to. It may have been a one off situation on one website. I’ve wrote about it here for a reminder to me for further investigate later on.

The sum of relevancy

Top of serp = lots of backlinks and high PR right?

Nothing is more annoying than widespread misinformation. There is nothing wrong with being wrong as long as an opinion is stated as opinion or theory but when so many spout the words “expert” and “I’ve been in this for years” along side their unresearched paraphrasing and ego’s, I get a bit peeved. I suppose at this point I should dish out my regular reminder about me and this website..

Everything in here is experimental and based on ideas that I have had or found somewhere else. I am not an expert, I am documenting as I learn and most of what I write is based on either opinion, gut feelings based on results of SEO experiments or proof based on the results of SEO experiments. If you speed read this site then please don’t leave comments saying I am giving out misinformation unless I clearly state something as a fact and you can prove otherwise with evidence, which by the way I would welcome, I and hopefully ant readers I get will all benefit from it. That’s why we’re here!.

And on that note.. here is something with proof. PR and backlinks are not the most important element to get you listing high in the SERP’s. I’m not going to give you any of the keywords I used for this because five minutes is all it takes to find plenty yourself. Here are the results of the top websites returned for just one very competitive key phrase typed into Google.

Key:

  • PR = PageRank
  • GI = Google indexed
  • GL = Google links
  • YL = Yahoo links
  • LD = Yahoo linkdomain
  • Age = Domain age /year

Pos 1: PR= 2 __ GI = 59 __ GL = 23 __ YL = 1250 __ LD = 1460 __ Age = 2005

Pos 5: PR= 4 __ GI = 1190 __ GL = 590 __ YL = 4450 __ LD = 4640 __ Age = 2002

Pos 13: PR= 5 __ GI = 4,690,000 __ GL = 3 __ YL = 282 __ LD = 1,340,000 __ Age = 1999

Pos 20: PR= 6 __ GI = 4660 __ GL = 13,000 __ YL = 262,000 __ LD = 369,000 __ Age = 2005

All of these sites are very much on the same topic and all have the key-phrase in their title tags. None of them have the keywords in their domain name and all links point to the home page except for the one in position 13 which is a review site. This one is the only one that the site is not based on the niche of the key-phrase I used but does have plenty of pages on the subject. I thought this makes a good contrast to list among the others above.

For the site in position one, the backlinks listed in Google are… 3 internal to the domain, 8 are all from one high ranking forum but linked from low ranked pages within the forum, one from a well known article site and the rest are a mixture of non ranked pages, forum entries and a couple of low ranked directories. All in all, nothing that could cause you even the slightest headache if you had to go on a backlink war with this website.

The differences between position 1 and position 5 is are the two that interest me the most. I will be spending some time studying these two websites to see if I can spot anything out of the ordinary. Why?..

Pos1 is a very relevant website but if  compared it to pos5, first impressions say pos 5 is much more relevant, much more content, in fact all round more than what pos 1 has going for it. There are some extremely valuable clues to be had here but as of yet I can only find one possible reason, which I’m not confident about at the moment. The other thing to note, and this is very surprising.. Pos1 is a uk site and pos 5 a .com. The result above are taken from a google.com search. The google.co.uk search shows pos1 holing firm but the site above in pos 5 now lists at pos 73!. Hmm?

I’ll report on this when I figure anything out.